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13th-Dec-2007 09:54 pm
Reborn - Yamamoto CHIBITA
Lunchtime today found me wandering around the heart of the city trying to find M (my sense of direction, 0, my innate ability to get lost, 1) - M, I am so sorry I wasn't able to catch you in time - but next week, definitely! :))) And hopefully this time I will find the right store instead of going to two wrong places first! (I actually went to Simply Bread first, and then to the wrong Subway. Then I went to the Hitachi Tower and ended up at The Food Barn instead) On the bright side, I'm discovering a lot of new food places? *laughs*

Today I discovered the horror of Fandom Changes Everything when I was calling M and said, "I'm at Yami Yogurt (... you have no idea how difficult it was to type that)." (which was the wrong place to be, both literally and... just, literally) Then I suffered an internal facefault so huge it was akin to the shifting of tectonic plates. Tagline: "Make Every Day a Yami Day".

BUT I ALSO WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO:

I just want to say thank you, omg, to little_ribbon: your parcel arrived! ♥ It's been sitting on my dinner table since the day it came, right next to where I sit at the table! :) Thank you so much! *beams* I am saving it for Friday, to open after I have completed the first (half) week at work! ♥ To celebrate surviving the Return to Work - if I get that far, that is! *beams* I honestly do not know what it is, so it's going to be a surprise!

... I feel like opening it now... XDXDXD

nescienx! Thank you so much for the lovely Krispy Kremes, and for taking the time to come down to the city to meet sarahcoldheart and I! Thank you so much for waiting until I managed to get off work - I totally have to buy you a drink the next time we meet - and maybe some FUN SHOES? : ))))

llamrei! ♥ THANK YOU SO MUCH for the adorable polar bear! ♥ He reminded both me and the sibling of Germany's Knut! ♥ I wish I had something better to give you than... really scary yoghurt shop links? And... a YGO site you haven't seen, for another thing? ;)

HH - thanks so much for the reminder, dear, and CONGRATULATIONS! *stars and glitter and confetti!* ♥ ♥ ♥ WE MUST GO CELEBRATE! Dinner's on me! ♥

kali_exorin! ♥ Thank you so much for the birthday wishes - and for playing a big part in turning me into (among other things) a Yami/Kaiba fan (or the other way around, if you prefer!) ♥
Comments 
13th-Dec-2007 07:01 pm (UTC)
There's a YGO site I haven't seen?

Also I saw you going to the dark side, missy. Yami/Kaiba? OH HOW YOU HURT ME
14th-Dec-2007 05:38 pm (UTC) - my icon is titled, "my heart is breaking" (is small)
XD THAT IS WHY, because I do not think there is a YGO site you have not seen. Except wait! I am not sure what you feel about dollfies, but there is this really pretty site that has YGO dollfies? LIKE EVERYBODY? Yami, Yuugi, Isis, Mai, Anzu, even Shizuka, Kaiba, Mokuba, YOU NAME IT... even Weevil, omg.

I. ACCIDENTALLY. WATCHED. THAT. duel-to-end-all-duels episode ACCIDENTALLY?! Because I was HEY THIS LOOKS INTERESTING, loaded it on veoh.com, and then flicked through it AND WATCHED IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS and by the time I REALISED WHAT IT WAS it was TOO LATE and then I COULDN'T STOP WATCHING and it BROKE MY HEART and that is why I have that icon. EPIC HEARTBREAK, MAN, EPIC HEARTBREAK. HOW DO I DEAL?!

I DIDN'T MEAN TO HURT YOU I DON'T WANT TO MAKE YOU SAD : ((((( but but but I ship lots of pairings! I can ship everything at the same time? ♥ Just because I love Yami/Kaiba does not mean I love all other pairings less?

... but I am so getting into Yuugi/Bakura.

... *is disowned by you*


Edited at 2007-12-14 05:40 pm (UTC)
14th-Dec-2007 06:17 pm (UTC) - Re: my icon is titled, "my heart is breaking" (is small)
I have not seen that site!

WAAAAH THAT SCENE. WAAAAAAAAAAAAH. IT'S SO NOT FAIR AND DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE. HE WAS 17, DIED FOR SOMETHING SOMEONE ELSE DID, AND DESERVES MORE LIFE, YOU BASTARDS. LET HIM BE WITH HIS AIBOU AND BE A RETARDED TEENAGER.

I... actually don't mind pairing Yuugi with lots of people! (Not that I really mind any pairings, except to rag on you for them.) It's just pairing Yami with others that feels so wrong to me, because of how he holds Yuugi so far above all others. XDD So it's funny, but as long as Yami is ttly devoted to Yuugi I'm good. When he's paired off with someone else I go "BUT. BUT. AIBOU!"
14th-Dec-2007 06:38 pm (UTC) - why are your icons always so pretty?!
AT LAST MY LIFE HAS MEANING ♥ (for being able to link you a YGO site you haven't seen!) - though this site came to me via ariesdraco. ;) Here it is:

YGO doll cosplay site! Going through the Gallery link will eventually bring rewards, don't be discouraged by the first page. The Theatre link is CRACK UPON MORE crack, especially if you follow the 夢ピヨ link, which is a Kaiba-Mokuba photo-story that broke my brains several times over. :D

GOD, I KNOW. IT HURT SO BAD. I THINK I'M STILL HURTING.

That's why I ran straight off into the arms of Yuugi/Bakura. NO MORE PAIN I ONLY WANT FLUFF. I loved the getting-to-be-a-retarded teenager thing, even with all his edges of maturity and the whole THERE IS SOMETHING IMPORTANT I MUST DO, A PURPOSE I HAVE FORGOTTEN THING overshadowing it all. ... ARGH I COULD THINK ABOUT IT FOREVER, the whole "He probably wouldn't have been truly happy with all that FORESHADOWING going on", and "BUT HE WAS TOTALLY HAPPY!" ... maybe happier than he'd been all his life, because I'm not sure he really had anyone he could truly call a friend back in Egypt.

Not that I really mind any pairings, except to rag on you for them.)
XDDDD Somehow I love you more for it.

I must be a masochist.

You have discovered my chief amusement value among the people who know me! Their position is, "It's not so much that I really dislike what you like, it's just... SO FUN TO MAKE FUN OF YOU FOR LIKING IT."

! Interesting! I'm the other way around, because for me it's difficult to see Yuugi really paired off with anyone who's not one of his counterparts in terms of life experience, position, etc. It probably sounds weird when I say it, but I still see Yuugi as mostly a little boy, whereas Yami - and certainly Atem - were probably never truly children to begin with, or if they were, they weren't children for long. When Yuugi grows up, definitely! But he still feels so much like a child in terms of purity and innocence to me, despite going through so much. He is like this little candle flame that I want to protect with both hands and all my heart. Oh God, I could watch the first episode of YGO (the one where he fixes the puzzle?) forever and keep falling in love with his voice: it's so young and sweet and excruciatingly cute and I think I'm starting to babble. XD

So it's funny, but as long as Yami is ttly devoted to Yuugi I'm good. When he's paired off with someone else I go "BUT. BUT. AIBOU!"
I can actually TOTALLY RELATE TO THAT? My attitude to pairings goes along a similar principle, except my guiding constant is:

(1) making Yuugi happy
and somehow *is killed by you a thousand times* Yami doesn't seem to figure quite as significantly in my equation as he does in yours. I mean, IT IS ALL GOOD.

DID YOU SEE THE DAN GREEN INTERVIEW (YY's English dub voice actor) where he explained his take on the Y/Y relationship? HE THOUGHT IT was father-and-son and EVEN I DISAGREED. YThe YY relationship is COMPLETELY not father-and-son. I see it more as a protective-Niisan type relationship, but I know you'd have a different take on it.

Don't kill me for listening to the interview! It was funny! Have you heard it? I transcribed part of it, will transcribe more? He made a crack about Y/Y because SOMEBODY in the audience asked him a question that was OBVIOUSLY angling for a Y/Y answer.


Edited at 2007-12-14 06:40 pm (UTC)
14th-Dec-2007 07:00 pm (UTC) - Because I'm bringing sexy back.
Thank you!!!

It will always hurt. AND WILL NEVER TRULY MAKE SENSE. "I want to be with you forever!" ..."THE DEAD CANNOT STAY IN THIS WORLD!" --WHAT?

He WAS happy. He got to have a LIFE and have FUN and people he LOVED and aaaaaaaugh it's so not fair.

Well I do dislike Yami/Kaiba, but I don't declare war on other pairings because that is not on, dude.

See, I see Yuugi as more mature than that, I guess. He IS very innocent, and very pure, but at the same time he's the most accepting and steadfast character in the whole series. EVERYONE turns to Yuugi, because he can HELP you, he can make things better. I mean, just look at how Yami depends on him to control his fucked-up-ness. Yuugi's the character you know won't ever let you down. I know we want to protect him because he's adorable, but he does so much protecting of other people - even if it's not physical.

Yes, it is essential for me that Yuugi be happy too. Which is part of the Yami-devotion thing, hah.

Oh Dan Green. /: It's so not father and son. Nor is it even a protective older brother, because while Yami IS very protective of Yuugi, Yuugi's protective of him too. I mean, look at how Yami turns to Yuugi for reassurance (and he doesn't have to ask for it, Yuugi just knows what to do). It's Yami who is much more insecure than Yuugi is. Yami protects Yuugi through strength in duels, but it's Yuugi who allows Yami to be that strong in the first place, and reminds him that he can be. ("My aibou gave me strength when I was on my last legs.")

To be honest with you I don't want to hear the interview, because the dub changes Yami so much I don't really consider him to be the same character. /:

I really just see Yami as being more devoted to Yuugi in every way. That he just... comes first. Always. I mean, there's the other part of the soul theory, there's all of that, but I really do see them as just being connected to one another, and being able to make each other happier than anyone else could. It's not as though I go into the ship going "Hay y/yy smut!" because if there was sexual activity between them it would come later, as a result of everything else and it would just be a different sort of connection. Y/YY is based on mutual need, support, and comfort, and not on sexual attraction, hah.

I guess what gets me about people saying "father/son" or "older protective brother" is that they're more equal than that. Yami doesn't look down on Yuugi as someone who needs protection, he sees him as his aibou, and he defers to his decisions (usually) and listens to his reasons, even if that can put him into danger (for example, agreeing to let Yuugi face possessed!Jou, even though he CLEARLY thought it was a bad idea). As I said before, it has been many a time that Yami required a word from Yuugi before being successful in a duel. (For instance, the Marik duel.)

Edited at 2007-12-14 07:11 pm (UTC)
14th-Dec-2007 07:59 pm (UTC) - oh, I love THAT icon too!
Welcome! ♥ Although I am not so sure if you will thank me after seeing the entire contents of the site, but... it sure is fun. And I do appreciate the efforts of someone who's so into the series that they're willing to make miniatures of every Millenium Item and dolls for every character.

It was the leaving that kind of really got to me, because in my head I was, "BUT WHAT IS HE GOING BACK to?!" And I just couldn't see how that life back THERE was better than life back HERE. It wasn't as if he had to do something back *there* that he couldn't do *here*, could he?

It's totally okay! I know how you feel about the dub, so I figured that you probably wouldn't want to listen to much that was related to it. ;)

I like the way you think about YY - and both the Ys, of course. It's pretty intriguing. I'd have to defer to you on most of it simply because my experience of canon is so much less than yours - and even so it is fairly patchy, I barely know anything about Malik other than the facts, and what I know comes overwhelmingly from the manga (and not even substantial parts of the manga!) as opposed to the anime.

It's interesting to see our different points of view and how we can take the same thing and put a completely different interpretation on it, but that's the fun of having different people like a series! *grin* I'm totally with you on Yami not looking down on Yuugi - I think that Yami sees Yuugi as an individual with his own strengths, and those strengths are different from his own.

But I do think that Yami still sees Yuugi as someone who needs protection, and this needing protection doesn't mean that Yuugi is necessarily weak. Maybe I'm wrong, but my guess is that Yami (even sans memories) has a better idea of what Yuugi's up against than Yuugi does. A lot of this is just impression and perhaps wishful thinking, so I could be totally wrong. And I think that Yami wants to protect Yuugi, not because he thinks he's weak, but because he thinks Yuugi is innately worthy of protection. It's like - here is somebody good and true and wonderful, and who wouldn't want to protect that, even if it was perfectly capable of protecting itself?

I think I get the sense of protectiveness from the early manga, when Yami was fresh out of the puzzle and kept emerging whenever anybody did something to Yuugi or people Yuugi wanted to protect, and I think that protectiveness remained. I liked that.

Naturally as the series progresses you see that relationship changing and it gradually becomes that of equals, but I am not inclined to think that it was from the beginning a relationship of equals. I like that it was a gradual process of getting to know each other and realising each others' strengths.

That possessed!Jou thing! *grin* I am personally minded to think that the reason that Yami let Yuugi take over was not so much the deferring-to-Yuugi's authority, but that Yami recognised that Yuugi was better equipped to deal with possessed!Jou than he was. Because sure, Yami could beat Malik in the duel, but it was Yuugi who knew Jounouchi's heart best, and it wasn't winning the game that was important to Yuugi, but getting Jounouchi's heart back. I personally like to think that Yami recognised that Yuugi stood a better chance of winning than he did on this one, but that's just me, of course, the way you see it is great too!

... I mean, my interpretation could totally be my inner Jou/Yuugi fan talking, so feel free to hit me. :D
14th-Dec-2007 09:55 pm (UTC) - Re: oh, I love THAT icon too!
It was the leaving that kind of really got to me, because in my head I was, "BUT WHAT IS HE GOING BACK to?!" And I just couldn't see how that life back THERE was better than life back HERE. It wasn't as if he had to do something back *there* that he couldn't do *here*, could he?

He's actually just... going back to being dead. Which is what really depresses me, because he deserves more life.

And I think that Yami wants to protect Yuugi, not because he thinks he's weak, but because he thinks Yuugi is innately worthy of protection. It's like - here is somebody good and true and wonderful, and who wouldn't want to protect that, even if it was perfectly capable of protecting itself?

I completely agree! I'm not saying that Yami doesn't want to protect Yuugi, because he absolutely does. Yuugi is good and kind and pure and Yami wants to protect that. However, he also acknoweldges Yuugi's strengths and the fact that sometimes... Yuugi knows better than he does.


I think I get the sense of protectiveness from the early manga, when Yami was fresh out of the puzzle and kept emerging whenever anybody did something to Yuugi or people Yuugi wanted to protect, and I think that protectiveness remained. I liked that.


That did remain, but early on in the manga they don't really... acknowledge each other as separate people yet, and Yami refers to himself as Yuugi. So initially, when he does his punishment games, he lists the reasons as someone threatening his friends, his grandpa, etc. Not Yuugi's.


That possessed!Jou thing! *grin* I am personally minded to think that the reason that Yami let Yuugi take over was not so much the deferring-to-Yuugi's authority, but that Yami recognised that Yuugi was better equipped to deal with possessed!Jou than he was. Because sure, Yami could beat Malik in the duel, but it was Yuugi who knew Jounouchi's heart best, and it wasn't winning the game that was important to Yuugi, but getting Jounouchi's heart back.


Well yes, this is true! However, even though it's true, you know some part of Yami is still going "I don't want to put him in that danger - I'd rather take the risk myself and spare him that." But he respects Yuugi enough to not do that to him. It's one thing knowing that something is the best course of action, but it's entirely another to know that that course of action is putting someone you care so much about in danger.
18th-Dec-2007 03:48 pm (UTC) - Mokuba icon for Mokuba icon!
I know :( I was all, "BUT WHAT'S THE POINT?" about his going back. I just thought it was so senseless. I thought he was doing MUCH more good right where he was, even if one took the utilitarian view!

Remember that really good fic you linked me a while back? That one about how Yami and the Yami no Bakura came back to visit Ryou and Yuugi and neither of the hikaris had a clue that it was both the yamis who'd come back for them? *is killed for the slang* But yeah. That fic, it made a lot of sense, but it also broke my heart, because that is how I could realistically imagine Yuugi's life after Yami. AND IT WAS NOT A GOOD PLACE AND YUUGI DESERVED BETTER THAN THAT. Life without Yami, I mean.

I love that Yuugi knows better than Yami does. I think innocence is its own strength and power, and, you would probably kick me for quoting this, but I read a discussion on Kaiba/Yuugi where one poster commented, "Though the one I think could really see psychologically topping Seto is Yuugi; I doubt Seto has any kind of defenses against that kind of sincerity." I just thought that the idea of Yuugi's sincerity having that kind of power was really appealing.
18th-Dec-2007 07:42 pm (UTC) - Re: Mokuba icon for Mokuba icon!
I think they were like "He has to go die so the darkness can't return" which is a cop-out in my mind. He was 17 and died for something HIS FATHER DID, and now he finally gets a life and friends and HAS TO GIVE IT UP. And then they act like it's a REWARD. IT'S NOT A REWARD!!!

What I really liked about that fic was that it emphasized that Yuugi and Yami CAN be without each other, but they're just not as well off that way. In order to be happiest, they need the other one to be around. There's another alternate ending fic I need to link you!

That's why Yuugi tops people - he's just believes so much.
19th-Dec-2007 01:28 am (UTC) - it is always when talking to you that I feel my relative lack of YY icons
I mean! I have two! And a whole bunch of OTHER YGO icons! ;) But somehow when talking to you I rarely want to use icons other than YY ones. XDXDXD

It's not a reward! IT'S A RIGHT! *INDIGNATION ON YAMI'S BEHALF*

Oh, man! You need to link me the AU fic whenever we're both online so my brain (and heart) can break in front of you. XD It's more fun that way - for both of us, I think. You know so much good fic! I, on the other hand... know the CRAZY FIC. I'm the go-to person for, "Did you know that somebody wrote a fic where Mokuba became Pegasus?" ... and for all the good fic, you're the go-go girl.

Oh God, that fic broke my heart so bad. I hurt so much for Yuugi at the beginning. And then for a lot. I kind of got a slightly different impression from the fic because the one I took away from it was that both the Ys couldn't do without each other. I mean, Yuugi without Yami, to me, was existing. He was just surviving, getting by day to day. That wasn't really living. He learnt to cope without Yami, sure, but he had that whole breakdown after Yami left and I was... oh my God, my heart is breaking for you because I could so see that happening in canon. I mean, I know Yuugi is strong and he would have lived through it and been happy after, but it's just... not the same? I somehow think that after the both of them being so close to each other that they would be somehow incomplete without the other, after that. And I'm not even a YY or codependency fan, it's just the way I see it! ;)

But oh, man. The other thing that kind of shattered my heart into a thousand pieces in that fic was Jou. I COULD KICK HIM, for leaving Yuugi like that. I mean, it made a lot of sense, and maybe it's my inner Jou/Yuugi fan talking, but in my opinion Jou would know how badly Yuugi was hurting from losing Yami and would never leave him like that. Even if there was no Jou/Yuugi involved. I know I could explain it away real easily by (a) Jou is stupid (and he is), (b) insensitive, (c) emotionally clueless, or (d) Yuugi was hiding it REALLY WELL but ARGHHHHHHH, in my head canon Jou would never leave Yuugi alone to fall to pieces like that. And if he was away when it happened he would SOMEHOW JUST KNOW when hearing Yuugi's voice what a horrible shape he was in, and he would GO AND BE WITH HIM. Even if it's just friends. I know that wasn't the focus of the story and it added to the REALLY GOOD PAIN but OWWW IT HURT!

The thought of Yuugi topping people just makes me XD with wild glee. I think Yuugi's love, courage, and innate goodness tops everybody. THE ULTIMATE GOOD > EVIL triumph.
20th-Dec-2007 06:56 am (UTC) - Re: it is always when talking to you that I feel my relative lack of YY icons
I kind of got a slightly different impression from the fic because the one I took away from it was that both the Ys couldn't do without each other. I mean, Yuugi without Yami, to me, was existing. He was just surviving, getting by day to day. That wasn't really living.

W-well I wanted to say that but I didn't want you to feel like I was shoving my ship down your throat. XD

I mean, it made a lot of sense, and maybe it's my inner Jou/Yuugi fan talking, but in my opinion Jou would know how badly Yuugi was hurting from losing Yami and would never leave him like that. Even if there was no Jou/Yuugi involved. I know I could explain it away real easily by (a) Jou is stupid (and he is), (b) insensitive, (c) emotionally clueless, or (d) Yuugi was hiding it REALLY WELL but ARGHHHHHHH, in my head canon Jou would never leave Yuugi alone to fall to pieces like that. And if he was away when it happened he would SOMEHOW JUST KNOW when hearing Yuugi's voice what a horrible shape he was in, and he would GO AND BE WITH HIM.

I... actually think it's more canon that he wouldn't. I mean, I love Jou and he's a WONDERFUL friend to Yuugi. However, the boy can be kind of clueless about emotional things. (The group had to practically yell "GO TO HER DAMN IT" for him to follow after Mai, and he was like "--OH".) He's very good at anticipating and fending off physical threats, but emotional? Sometimes he needs someone else to give him a push. I think Jou would absolutely go help Yuugi if he knew that Yuugi was falling to pieces, but I don't know how easily he would figure that out.
20th-Dec-2007 04:27 pm (UTC) - SO MUCH LOVE FOR THIS COMMENT
W-well I wanted to say that but I didn't want you to feel like I was shoving my ship down your throat. XD
XDXDXDXD THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH WORDS IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE FOR HOW MUCH I LOVE YOU FOR THIS. ♥ ♥ ♥ THANK YOU for being so sweet as not to shove your ship down my throat, although because it is you I would totally not protest (and oh God, I am such a six-year-old in a candy store when it comes to fandom that I feel so D: about being all :D :D :D when you are there rationally thinking about it and expressing yourself with such maturity and I am over there going :D :D :D! I LOVE YUUUUUUUUGI ♥)! And you would totally not be shoving your ship down my throat because THAT IS EXACTLY HOW I READ IT. ♥ XDXDXD IT IS OKAY! ;) Because if even a non-YY shipper like me can see that in the fic, then it must DEFINITELY BE THERE IN SPADES for you! ♥ I AM HAPPY WE WALKED AWAY WITH THE SAME IMPRESSION. (ack, I am sorry, it's just so FUN having the same interpretation of a complex fic as someone else, especially if that someone is you! It means I am ON THE RIGHT TRACK!)
I... actually think it's more canon that he wouldn't.
XD, I know. Jou = emotional RETARD sometimes, especially when it comes to people. Probably especially for Yuugi, because Jou would want to believe that everything is okay and Yuugi, because he would be such a damned dearheart and EVEN MORE OF A DAMNED HERO would try to HIDE his pain so it wouldn't bother other people. God I love that kid so much it's scary. ♥

Jou would have needed Anzu to give him a GREAT BIG SHOVE and a "OI LOOK YUUGI'S KIND OF BREAKING DOWN, GO HELP HOLD HIM TOGETHER". I am a revolting sap about the Yuugi-tachi and in my happy head-canon that the end-of-Yami period and Yuugi's ensuing breakdown (because it would happen!) would happen with his friends around him to hold him together when he's falling apart. But see paragraph above, the way they all are is EXACTLY why it wouldn't happen. But in my headcanon, Yuugi is always made HAPPY. I FIX IT BETTER in my head, even for fanfiction.
14th-Dec-2007 08:17 pm (UTC) - because this was love and deserved its own special comment!
EVERYONE turns to Yuugi, because he can HELP you, he can make things better. ... Yuugi's the character you know won't ever let you down. ... he does so much protecting of other people - even if it's not physical.
I LOVED THIS SO MUCH. ♥ THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WRITING IT. ♥ I mean! This is what I innately feel about Yuugi but never put into words.

*grin!* I have a more... cynical view of Yuugi, I think? I agree with what you say, but I think his strength and his ability to trust and care comes from innocence. I think Yami's strength comes from experience, and it's one of the fundamental differences in their personalities. I think that on the whole, Yuugi didn't have the kind of experience and knowledge of the kind of evil people can do that Yami did. I know he had his fair share of it while being bullied at school, and even more of it after meeting Kaiba and starting the whole dueling affair, but... not quite the same as Yami's experience.

I don't really know how Yami's losing his memories worked for him (so my point here with regards to strength from innocence vs. strength from experience could be weak) - did he lose the details, but retain the wisdom and innate knowledge that his life experiences had gifted him? I imagine something of the past life must have remained to shape the personality that ended up being named Yami.

What I meant to say with the innocence/experience was that I didn't think Yuugi was that mature at the outset. I do think that he had reserves of strength and talent - not just for games, but for understanding people - that he didn't even realise existed until he was thrown into the situations which required him to draw on them. Naturally the happenings of canon changed him, and that made him more mature, but personally I still see so much difference between him and Yami in terms of maturity.

... maybe the only difference is that my experience so far is early-canon YGO and yours is the entire-canon, and after I've finished all the books I will come over to where you are in perspective?

but I don't declare war on other pairings because that is not on, dude.
In my head I think I am secretly the sort of person who declares war on other pairings! :D Shh, don't tell anyone! I try to be fair, but it's so hard. For me. *laughter*

Yes, it is essential for me that Yuugi be happy too. Which is part of the Yami-devotion thing, hah.
Yay! *cheers like a kid* ♥ I wonder if the way we think is influenced partly by the way we feel about Yami? I think I definitely feel differently about him than you do - I'm still fairly reserved about him, although I do adore Atem intensely, and I love Yuugi most of all. Strange!
14th-Dec-2007 10:04 pm (UTC) - Re: because this was love and deserved its own special comment!
I think his strength and his ability to trust and care comes from innocence.

It does, at least partly.

I don't really know how Yami's losing his memories worked for him (so my point here with regards to strength from innocence vs. strength from experience could be weak) - did he lose the details, but retain the wisdom and innate knowledge that his life experiences had gifted him? I imagine something of the past life must have remained to shape the personality that ended up being named Yami.

Actually, initially, Yami seems to not even have a sense of self any more, seeing how he refers to himself as Yuugi. His personality is so different in the beginning because he spent 3000 years being saturated by the dark power of the puzzle. I don't think it's experience, but rather a more... 'adult' touch to him because of the darkness. Over the course of the series Yami starts to go back to his original personality, with Yuugi's help, but he certainly doesn't start off that way. In fact, what he knew about the world seemed to actually come from Yuugi's mind, because his memories were so completely gone.

I still see so much difference between him and Yami in terms of maturity.

I actually see them being very similar in maturity levels. Yami holds in his emotion more than Yuugi does, which is often a sign of maturity, but I think that's just another personality trait of his - he's more reserved. Yami is more troubled than Yuugi, and has to deal with more, but when it comes down to the important stuff, they both seem to agree on what's best. I actually think they're more mature about entirely different things.

In my head I think I am secretly the sort of person who declares war on other pairings! :D Shh, don't tell anyone! I try to be fair, but it's so hard.

Well, that's just fine, as long as you don't war on shippers. >D

I love Yami. <3 And part of why I love him is his insecurity.
18th-Dec-2007 02:55 pm (UTC) - eeee, I love that icon of Atem going TWEAK at Yuugi.
I did think about that after you mentioned it, about how for a while Yami thought of himself as Yuugi. Come to think of it, Yuugi's friends see him as "the other Yuugi", don't they? I was told that the name "Yami" wasn't actually ever given canonically, and that it was made up for the American audience.

I actually think they're more mature about entirely different things.
I like that! *beams* I like the idea that they complement each other perfectly.

I don't ♥ I'm a perfectly nice, civilised fandom being - on the outside! I only go to people I trust to cry I CAN'T TAAAAAAAKE THIS ~

*tilts head!* That is actually incredibly interesting. I probably haven't read far enough to see much of that insecurity, but would I be very far off to say that, very broadly speaking, Yami is strong outside, insecure inside, whereas Yuugi is vice versa? At least at the beginning of the series, Yuugi's all diffident and tentative and shy around most people, but when something goes against what he believes in, he'll stand up for it. Shy outside, but core of steel inside. I love characters like that.

I've always been able to "get" Yuugi more easily than Yami, but then I suppose everyone does, because Yuugi's such a open book, really. Yami's much more unfathomable - more reserved and distant. Also his cool quotient is too high for me! *grin*
18th-Dec-2007 07:46 pm (UTC) - Re: eeee, I love that icon of Atem going TWEAK at Yuugi.
That's correct - "Yami no Yuugi" was the name given to him by the Japanese fandom, so they just began to refer to him as "Yami", but it was never canon. The dub, however, DID have them call him Yami for reasons that are unexplained.

I only go to people I trust to cry I CAN'T TAAAAAAAKE THIS ~

YOU CAN TRUST ME~

would I be very far off to say that, very broadly speaking, Yami is strong outside, insecure inside, whereas Yuugi is vice versa?

That's exactly it! Yami acts very confident, but he's actually quite insecure (he doesn't know if he's bad or good, where he came from, who he is, why he's there, what his future holds, etc). That's why being around Yuugi is so good for him - Yuugi seems so outwardly weak that Yami can take over and protect him and feel confident and useful and good, but when Yami's insecurity is getting the better of him Yuugi steps in and makes things better.

I always see Yami as "kind of cool" more than "cool", hahaha! He's kind of a social retard, really, but I love him anyway.
13th-Dec-2007 09:34 pm (UTC)
... I am so jealous at your being able to walk into the wrong Subway. *cries!* ARE THE SUBWAY PEOPLE EVER GOING TO REALISE THE MALL I WORK AT IS THE BEST PLACE IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY TO OPEN UP ONE OF THEIR RESTAURANTS? I want to be able to have their delicious sandwiches for lunch! NOW! T.T

FDJSKJQLKJSKQS. I'm so sorry it didn't get there on your birthday... but I guess it turned out okay in the end? xD I'm actually saving a taped House episode for the end of my "extra 10 hours" (I have to work more because everyone else is sick!) week, so I know how it feels! *laughs!*
14th-Dec-2007 05:42 pm (UTC) - HI SWEETIE :D
PLZ BE COMING TO MY COUNTRY, YOU CAN THEN WALK INTO THE WRONG SUBWAY AT ANY TIME :D :D :D

They will probably eventually open a Subway in your mall? Or! Or! Maybe they are not opening there because there are other AWESOME SANDWICH SHOPS THERE THAT ARE EATING THEIR MARKET SHARE?

IT IS OKAY, SWEETIE!!! *HUGS TIGHT!* IT IS ALL IN GOOD TIME, AND IT WAS GOOD THAT IT ARRIVED WHEN IT DID, IT MADE GOING BACK TO WORK A LITTLE BIT EASIER!!! *HUGS YOUUUUU* HANG IN THERE FOR YOUR SPECTACULAR CRAZY TEN HOUR SHIFT OF OMG!!! ♥ Text me if you need moral support, 'k? ♥ Although my "moral support" will be along the lines of "OMG HANG IN THERE SWEETIE THINK OF THE MONIES" and you will probably be too busy to text!
15th-Dec-2007 10:04 am (UTC) - HI BACK AT YOU~! ♥
Look: Belgians are a sub-species of wombat!! xDD

I am totally coming to your country! I will wombat-ize all of you, mwuahahaha! ;) I want to be there for NDP!

EEH. I think one of the Subway dudes I spoke to in Brussels said they were opening up a Subway around the station in Antwerp - BUT THIS IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. If Suntec City can have Delifrance and Subway WHY CAN'T WE? *sulks!*

DID YOU OPEN IT YET? WHY ARE YOU TORTURING ME SOOO...? xDDD

Thank you! :') My shift today is only eight hours (... and a half = to make up for my OBLIGATORY break! *WEEPS!*), though! I split up the extra 10 hours over Tuesday and Thursday because I normally don't have to work on those days. I am just complaining because I am not used to doing TEN MORE HOURS a week. I AM A LAZY EUROPEAN GIRL.

Urgh. Now I feel silly for complaining when you probably have TWICE AS MANY hours? xD I only work part-time! They don't hire Bear Builders full-time because it'd be too exhausting... SRSLY! O.o I think I came close to it this week, though. Jeez.

I WILL TEXT YOU IF I SEE ANYTHING YGO-RELATED, DEAL? It'd be silly to bother you about work! YOU HAVE MUCH MORE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THAN ME! But but but, THANK YOU ANYWAY! Feel free to text me for moral support (next week?), too! ♥

OHHH. I nearly forgot: TODAY IS VICKY'S WEDDING. GOTTA GO GET DRESSED FOR WORK. BYEEE. O.o

Edited at 2007-12-15 10:06 am (UTC)
14th-Dec-2007 02:12 am (UTC)
No problem! I'm sorry I had to rush to offload... now this wouldn't happen had I actually remembered to bring them doughnuts on Tuesday. -_-;
14th-Dec-2007 05:43 pm (UTC)
Hee! ♥ IT IS ALL GOOD! Thank you so much for coming out again to see me and for waiting ♥ That was really nice of you :)))) I had a bite of one this morning and the rest at work - A REALLY GOOD WAY TO MAKE A DAY TOTALLY SWEET. ♥ I could eat the wrapper it was in, even, I love the glazing so much. ♥
14th-Dec-2007 04:44 am (UTC)

I'm glad to have corrupted you ♥ !

I'm still TOO excited about sending you something ♥ but I think you NEED to have a copy, and it's nice to have someone to share it with who appreciates it as much as I do (and NO, not telling you ♥ because it would ruin my FUN).

But! I don't want to write too much to you now, because I haven't written an ACTUAL letter in what feels like FOREVER.
14th-Dec-2007 05:46 pm (UTC) - you must know that I uploaded this icon solely to talk Kaiba and Yami with you ♥
I AM HAPPY TO BE CORRUPTED ♥ ESPECIALLY IF IT IS BY YOU ♥

I AM SO HAPPY THAT YOU ARE NOW INTO GURREN LAGANN SO THAT THE THINGS I CAN SEND YOU HAVE NOW multiplied :D :D :D

XDXDXD I WOULD NOT WANT TO RUIN YOU FUN, but omg you really don't need to if it is (a) too much trouble (b) too expensive, but thank you so much! ♥

XDDDDD I HAVEN'T WRITTEN A LETTER FOR WHAT FEELS LIKE FOREVER TOO, SO THIS IS TOTALLY A GREAT TIME TO START! :D
14th-Dec-2007 05:51 pm (UTC) - ♥ I wish I had more icons! There are so many I have that were made to talk to YOU with!

It's totally NOT any trouble at all!
I'm just EXCITED to have SOMEONE to share it with.
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