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16th-Jan-2008 11:22 pm
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So! arrch and ultra_butterfly linked the Flash version of the new Ace Attorney: Apollo Justice game (alternative site). I must admit at this point that I keep very quiet whenever anyone gets extremely excited about Phoenix Wright, for, among other things, these reasons. But then I saw the links and I was, "Hey, Flash version! And it is true that I have never tried this game out, namely because I have never seen anything in it that would make me want to play it! But I really should give everything a try!" So!

WARNING:
1. Extensive screencapping (I make 26, guys)
2. Intrusive legal commentary and occasional YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG! SO WRONG!
3. Inappropriate interpretation :D :D :D
4. Completely gratuitious YGO parallels
(look, this time I didn't even have to try (again!)! They go on and on about a card game!)
5. Even MORE inappropriate Gurren Lagann references
(... I REALLY DID NOT HAVE TO TRY ON THIS ONE OKAY, the main character's name is JUSTICE, so if you believe in justice, you are believing in the Justice WHO BELIEVES IN YOU)

This is Ace Attorney: The Mock Trial version.

Fair warning: I did mock trials for the first two years I was in university, and in my third and last year, I judged them. You aren't quite going to get my usual sort of commentary here. I try to go easy on the law, and don't worry. I wasn't as negative about this game as I make myself out to be.
CUT FOR SPOILERS TOO



The scary thing is, our criminal courts actually do look like these. Except that nice plant would be fake, and the furniture isn't quite as nice.


*________________* This idea of lawyer!ratal has been going around in my head for about a month now, and I THINK I SEE ONE OF THE CHARACTERS :D :D :D

Seriously, this kind of character design: long blond hair, pretty, damn smart: I am a sucker for this type on looks alone.


*giggles*


Oh, the poor boy. This is true, though. It can be very nerve-wracking, to present a case. One of my favourite in-court mistakes ever was the following:

Lawyer: "May I please the court- " (it's supposed to be, "May it please the court.")
Judge: *smirk* "Yes, you may please the court."


CONFLICT. OF. INTEREST
THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE.
And if it did, that lawyer would be in SO MUCH TROUBLE.
(see why I can't play this game?)


EVEN WORSE, now he's a MATERIAL WITNESS and the ASSISTANT DEFENSE LAWYER on the case.
This man shouldn't be representing anybody! He should be ON THE WITNESS STAND!


Hello, your client! Why, you're kind of cute. Nice hat.
AHAHAHAHA APOLLO. So cute. MEETING HIM: CARDIAC ARREST. Stop sounding like a schoolgirl with a crush, already!


*laughs even harder for all the wrong reasons*


BELIEVE IN ME WHO BELIEVES IN YOU
NO, BELIEVE IN YOU, WHO BELIEVES IN JUSTICE -
wait, that WOULD be believing in you who believes in YOU!


YOU LEAD I FOLLOW
Ever wonder WHY your client seems to be SO INCREDIBLY calm and so incredibly HELPFUL and seems to know SO MUCH OF HIS WAY AROUND THE SYSTEM?!


This is how you know it's game: when you only have to wait less than twenty minutes for your case to be heard.
There are times when I've been to court and it's four hours until your case is heard.


♥ Why yes, this is a gratuitious pretty-thing screencap.


SO YOUR CLIENT WANTS YOU!






I wonder why you say that ~

SHOCK GASP REVELATION






And Shadi is a mysterious traveller!
And very dead.


I don't even have to try for this one.


... poker, you say.


*giggles* You should work for KaibaCorp! You and Kaiba would make, *cough!* a great team!


*HOWLS WITH LAUGHTER*


YES YOUR HONOUR!


There's very little you can say ~
that I can't take the wrong way ~


When I was watching this, the "Bringing Tort Law Back" chorus of, "Direct examination! Cross-examination! Re-examination!" kept playing in my head.


Maybe he needs a live demonstration.
Sometimes words just ain't enough ~


XD

And to be honest I got really bored around here. So that's all from me! But have fun playing!
Comments 
16th-Jan-2008 03:58 pm (UTC)
People actually think that Phoenix Wright (of all things) is ACCURATE?!

*dies laughing*

Dude, one should only play it for the crack factor, nothing more.

Now I need a PW icon.
17th-Jan-2008 02:18 am (UTC)
XDXDXD YEAH, BELIEVE IT OR NOT: the fan mind is an AMAZING thing that flies in the face of reality AND kicks logic to the kerb!

LET US LAUGH AT THEM.

The thing is, people DO take this thing seriously! *buries face in hands* I stand on the other side of the Abyss of Reason from them and gaze at them with total incomprehension in my eyes.
16th-Jan-2008 04:00 pm (UTC)
*dies laughing*
17th-Jan-2008 02:16 am (UTC)
I seem to have killed you a million ways last night without quite meaning to XDDD
16th-Jan-2008 04:14 pm (UTC)
It just so happens that I finished the third case of this game :) Awesome game this is, despite the many inaccuracies/inconsistencies that actual law students and lawyers may be constantly pointing out right this minute. But hey, it's only a game (and a popular one too; does that say anything about it? XD) Sit back, relax, and enjoy the game! (Actually, I find it hard to relax with this game, as I need to save quite often in case I make mistakes. Plus, it requires some concentration if you want to figure things out ahead of time XD)
17th-Jan-2008 02:14 am (UTC)
*laughs* I know. My grounds of objection to PW are more personal than objective - I mean, other than that I find the gameplay style too linear, and I favour RPG/combat games over games like these, and heavily text-centric games without SHOCKINGLY PRETTY ART find it very difficult to appeal to me.

Also, as I said to ultra_butterfly: I just find it impossible to turn off the inner!lawyer switch. It's always there, questioning and examining and pulling apart everything. Even games. Like I said, it's not the taking-it-too-seriously thing - I love anything that goes and laughs at the legal profession, 'cause face it, we do take ourselves too seriously. But I think my brand of attorney hilarity runs towards Harvey Birdman, Attorney At Law, which takes itself even less seriously than Phoenix Wright does! ;)

But hey, it's only a game (and a popular one too; does that say anything about it? XD)
XD! It tells me that 90% of people playing it aren't law students or lawyers! I know it works for millions of happy GS fans out there, but it doesn't work for me. And not a single one of my law student/lawyer friends who game and know of this game has been able to stomach it. But, that's just my experience, you might have had different ones.

Hee! I'm glad you have fun with this game, though! ;) I know this won't rain on your parade, but just to be safe: my objections to this game really are personal and the fact that it's just not my thing, either content-wise or approach-wise or gameplay-wise. *smiles!* I know it works for BILLIONS of other people, though!
16th-Jan-2008 04:24 pm (UTC)
Haha, if you're a law student, all the less reason for you to take PW seriously. At least, anyone with any amount of sense could tell you that PW isn't realistic at all. You cross-examine a PARROT in the first game. If you can look past all that, I really recommend you to play the game for what it is, just a game. It plays more like a detective/mystery game than anything, and the court sessions are basically where you piece everything together and the truth is revealed.

That and all the games have a wonderful cast of awesome characters, most of whom are totally gay for each other lolol. As you can see from up there Kristoph is totally gay for Phoenix and he continues to be for the rest of the game. And the art in this installment is just... gorgeous. *___*

PS: People actually call Kristoph 'shachou' on NicoVideo and they call his brother Kaiba and the main character Yuugi(because his voice sounds so much like Yuugi). And even though I don't get it at all I thought you might like to know that. :P
17th-Jan-2008 02:06 am (UTC)
PS: People actually call Kristoph 'shachou' on NicoVideo and they call his brother Kaiba and the main character Yuugi(because his voice sounds so much like Yuugi). And even though I don't get it at all I thought you might like to know that. :P
... WHY DID YOU HAVE TO GO AND TELL ME THAT :((( I was already disposed to love Kristoph and NOW THEY CALL HIM SHACHOU TOO?! Shachou is one of those MAGIC words I have a massive AUTOMATIC LOVE for, along with NIISAN. ♥

(LAUGHS SO HARD at the Kaiba and Yuugi part) Okay okay! You've won me over. Just for that I am going to take another look at this game. XDXDXD I am weak to YGO references like NOBODY's business.

*giggles* It is beautiful art, isn't it? I noticed that it seemed to be so much better than the previous games. Same style, but much better quality.

Kristoph is totally gay for Phoenix
YOU MAKE ME HAPPY ♥ I MUST FIND OUT MORE.

I want Phoenix and Apollo to be gay for each other. *________*

and on to the other stuff

Phoenix Wright seems to have all the right ingredients to interest me, but somehow when they're put together, they just don't work for me. The game falls apart for me. Objectively speaking, it's probably not my kind of game: it's too linear for my tastes, and I much prefer games where you can fight: legal battles I do all day at work, I don't need them in my free time! ;)

At least, anyone with any amount of sense could tell you that PW isn't realistic at all.
*laughs* Not in my experience ~ I wish I could say otherwise, but people with sense are a very rare commodity both in fandom and in my experience.

Haha, if you're a law student, all the less reason for you to take PW seriously.
None of the law students I know, and certainly I myself, have never taken PW seriously. Maybe I'm unfair in that I know this game gets a lot of love, and I'm sitting here staring at it going, "... It doesn't work for me."

Like I told llamrei, it's not about whether or not I take it seriously. I certainly don't think that law is ZOMG SERIOUS, FUNNY THINGS NO TOUCH, NO HUMOUR PLEASE WE'RE LAWYERS, etc. Some totally crazy and fun people are lawyers! And the legal profession can be a total laugh riot! Like this! ;) Trust me, I take every opportunity to laugh at law when I can, because I am a huge fan of Not Taking This Too Seriously.

I adore Harvey Birdman, Attorney At Law, and that takes itself even less seriously than Phoenix Wright does! ;) It's not that Harvey Birdman does it right, but PW/GS doesn't - it's just that GS simply rubs me the wrong way, and Harvey Birdman hits all the right hilarity buttons in me.

Sorry to get all negative! I really don't mean to, I know it's a great game and all. I guess it's because I find it impossible to switch off the inner lawyer, and the work!me and the fun!me are indivisible on law. I would find it very hard to play this game without massive internal objecting going on all the time. ;) And I guess it would defeat the purpose of enjoying the game, which is what it should be all about, really! :)
16th-Jan-2008 04:44 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I love the first 3 games but I can see how it would aggravate a law student. XD; It's great drama, but accurate it isn't.
17th-Jan-2008 02:15 am (UTC)
*smiles* Thank you, dear. *hugs tight* For understanding me.
16th-Jan-2008 05:15 pm (UTC)
Of course the Gyakuten Saiban games aren't realistic! Darnit, that's why they're fun. And addicting. Is it really worth even getting irritated over? It doesn't take itself seriously in the least. And people who DO think it's realistic (IF SUCH PEOPLE ACTUALLY EXIST) are too stupid to be worth being irritated at either.

WAIT WAIT THEY CHANGED HIS NAME TO JUSTICE?
17th-Jan-2008 01:50 am (UTC)
APOLLO JUSTICE ACE ATTORNEY! (I think he's kinda cute, though)

*grin* Don't you know by now that my other half is a viciously aggressive fandom wank troll waiting to break out? ;) And hate on everything? ;)

If it exists, it's worth getting irritated over. *grin!* Also I am scrupulously fair and egalitarian! In my world nobody is too stupid to be worth getting irritated over! ;)

Yes, my inner wankbrat's motto is, "I'm not prejudiced, I hate everyone equally" ♥

Thing is: it's not so much the not-taking-itself seriously thing. I am totally fine with that! In fact, I adore Harvey Birdman, Attorney At Law, and that takes itself even less seriously than Phoenix Wright does! ;) I won't even go as far as to say that Harvey Birdman does it right, but PW/GS doesn't - it's as simple as saying that GS simply rubs me the wrong way, and Harvey Birdman hits all the right hilarity buttons in me.

Phoenix Wright seems to have all the right ingredients to interest me, but somehow when they're put together, they just don't work for me. Case falls apart!

I'm not saying the game is flawed, not at all. What games one likes or dislikes, that's a very personal thing. All I'm saying is that, I know it works for millions of happy GS fans out there, but it doesn't work for me. I don't know what your experience of PW fans has been, but not a single one of my law student/lawyer friends who game and know of this game is able to stomach it. I think it's hard to explain why, on this issue: either you get it or you don't, chalk it up to Funny Law Thing, maybe?

But I think it's like what I told solerika: it's probably because I'm still quite young and find it very hard to separate what I do from who I am, so I have this internal OBJECTION going on at all times whenever I see anything related to this game.

As I said to ultra_butterfly: I simply find it impossible to turn off the inner!lawyer switch. It's always there, questioning and examining and pulling apart everything. Even games. I love anything that goes and laughs at the legal profession, 'cause we do take ourselves too seriously sometimes. Despite the fact that the legal profession can be a total laugh! Take this, for example: and it's all real! ;) I really do take every opportunity to laugh at law when I can, because I am a huge fan of Not Taking This Too Seriously. PW just doesn't fall into that particular category of Not Taking Law Seriously in a way that I personally enjoy, 's all. :)

But, looooook, see, I can totally emit hearts at it too! I just have to be given the right EVIDENCE to emit hearts at.

Edited at 2008-01-17 03:43 am (UTC)
16th-Jan-2008 10:14 pm (UTC)
At least you get to laugh at how mock-worthy the Ace Attorney games are? XDD;

It would've been so awesome if you played those games just to screencap and mock. 8)
17th-Jan-2008 02:21 am (UTC)
*grin* I DO I DO I DO. But it's probably because I'm still quite young and find it very hard to separate what I do from who I am, I have this internal OBJECTION going on at all times whenever I see anything related to this game.

:))) I totally would! Except it would bore and frustrate me halfway through (even ten minutes was quite enough for me). *grin* And also lack of time, which is woe in and of itself!
16th-Jan-2008 10:38 pm (UTC)
They live in a very very messed up world with an "interesting" slant on the legal system! But whoa, that is a lot of screen caps!
17th-Jan-2008 02:19 am (UTC)
XDXDXD I would not call it a legal system in the style of real ones! It is completely SUI GENERIS and cracked up! AND CRACKED! BROKEN!

Thanks for the link! ;) It was fun to try this one! :)

I know! ;) Screencaps are the LIFEBLOOD of my life as a fan of ANYTHING. Or an UN-FAN, even!
17th-Jan-2008 12:55 am (UTC)
Hahaaaaa, thanks for the screencaps. They are indeed very very pretty. Also love the "No! I'm loose! I'm fine!" slip. And yeah, Ace Attorney is in no way accurate. I think the reason why most people play it is because it's an interesting 'solve the puzzle' game, and because the dialogue can get utterly hilarious (you don't see it as much in the first case, because that's the case that's designed to introduce newbies to the game to the whole system).

I'm kind of sad about the Phoenix Wright thing though... They developed his character quite a bit across the last three games, and I have this soft mushy spot in my heart for him. And the very gay relationship between him and the super prosecutor/rival/friend Miles Edgeworth. Plus, "Phoenix Wright, piano player" just does not have quite the same ring as "Phoenix Wright, defense attorney" XD
17th-Jan-2008 02:28 am (UTC)
*beams* You're most welcome! I enjoyed making them, and I'm glad you enjoyed looking at them! ;)

I like introductory cases, though. :) I'm really new (in every way!) so The Idiot's Guide is always great for me! I think it teaches you the FUNdamentals. ;)

I know, me too! I kind of think Phoenix would be my favourite, even though I understand where Edgeworth is coming from.

Plus, "Phoenix Wright, piano player" just does not have quite the same ring as "Phoenix Wright, defense attorney" XD
It doesn't at all. ;) but hey! Maybe the game will bring NEW DEVELOPMENTS! And I still prefer him as piano player to him being a COMPLETE HOBO.
17th-Jan-2008 02:26 am (UTC)
...............................
DUDE. I will never be able to play this XD
Everything sounds wrong omg
Oh Pheonix, from Ace Attorney to Ace Pimp eh *SHOT*
17th-Jan-2008 02:29 am (UTC)
M-maybe it is not that everything sounds wrong, but it is me making everything sound wrong? Or highlighting everything that sounds wrong together so it sounds EVEN MORE WRONG? ;)

DUDE. I will never be able to play this XD
HAHAHAHA I thought that when playing the preview, too! ;)

ACE PIMP INDEEEEEEED ♥
17th-Jan-2008 03:22 am (UTC)
No, it's true, Phoenix is the biggest pimp everrrr everyone's out to get him/wants a piece of him xD
17th-Jan-2008 03:32 am (UTC)
S-should he not then be the Game's Biggest Five-Letter-Word that Starts with W and ends with H, then? ;)

NO WAIT I CHANGE MY MIND, he's the game's bicycle.

Edited at 2008-01-17 03:32 am (UTC)
17th-Jan-2008 08:57 am (UTC)
You won't be the only one having a problem of profession clashing with the game XD Except that it makes me laugh when he said "I'm a piano player by trade...yet I can hardly play at all." I'd love to see him play.

I like the following lines - "A pianist who can't play piano?" and "Better than a defense attorney who can't defend."

...made for each other? If they swop roles it'd be perfect XD Just wondering. Who tops?

Ratal Courtroom scene would be filled with vegetable-fights and crazy hobbits fighting over carrots. And maybe the following :

Serry : Umm...whose mushroom is this? *holds up big juicy mushroom*
Hobbit #1 : MINE!
Hobbit #2 : No, mine!
Hobbit #3 : Not mine at all.
Judge : Ahah! He's the culprit who stole the mushrooms from the pantry last night!
Hobbit #3 : BASED ON WHAT EVIDENCE?
Judge : YOU REFUSED THE MUSHROOM.
Other Hobbits : No hobbit can refuse a mushroom.

Serry : ...case solved! *niko niko*

Hyanda : That was a detective-wannabe game, not a lawyer trial.

Levizt : ...wth was that logic.
17th-Jan-2008 01:26 pm (UTC)
I am dead from laughter at the dialogue!! AHHAAHAHAHAHAA! So so wrong in many cases....*has total gutter mind*
17th-Jan-2008 04:15 pm (UTC)
OMG. YOU LINK THE FUNNIEST THINGS EVER! XD

AND SRSLY? I played the flash version till the end. And I just had to say that I find it so amusing. Stupid, because it's NOTHING like reality, but funny at the same time, because it's trying so hard to emulate it. XDDD

Friend said this of the game when I linked it to her: OMG, WHY ARE THEY ALL GOING "MEOW MEOW MEOW". XD

ALSO! I read the post where you linked Lowering the Bar. OMG. CAN YOU BELIEVE THE STUPID THINGS PEOPLE DO IN COURTS? XDDDDD OMG! XDDDD
17th-Jan-2008 10:55 pm (UTC) - rather long comment about NDS/PS2 and how curiousity killed the cat...
I ... really am not very fond of this Apollo Justice dude. ^^;

To me, playing the Phoenix Wright games is a little like reading a really cheap mystery novel. *grin!* I like Phoenix because he's an adorable dork and even though I take everything he does with a grain of salt... he did teach me what "attorney" and "prosecution" mean. It made me feel a little closer to you (because I honestly don't know anything about law!). I know it isn't very realistic - but it reminds me of you and I will love it forever because of that.

It's the type of pass-time I would want to keep myself busy with when you aren't around for a couple of days (because, let's face it, I spend A LOT of time talking to you!), you know? It provides just the right dose of aefallen! I know that sounds weird, but it's true...? ^^;

I used to not understand how you can love something as much as you love law and NOT want to spend your free time playing law-related games or watching law-related shows! xD I do now, however. I have absolutely no desire to play this game:



... though I have to admit I am kind of curious. I think I would like to try it one day just to see what it's about - but I definitely do not want to spend entire hours playing it. ^^;

On that note, if you ever want to borrow my Nintendo DS and/or Phoenix Wright games (I have the first two and no intentions of buying the 3rd at the moment - I've gotten a little bored with both games and I don't think I'll ever finish them so you're free to start a new safe file!) while I'm in Singapore next... you know where to find me. &hearts: Offer also aplies to any other games I have! Just let me know which ones you want me to bring over! xD Also, I have been wondering for a while: did you have your PS2 modded so it can also play NTSC J and PAL games? What was it originally, too?
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