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18th-Aug-2008 10:12 pm
MIEU LOVES YOU, - Mieu
As I wade through forests of paperwork for this new case, I can't help but think about words, and the meanings thereof. It's quite amazing how you can see one letter, and the world will take three different views of it (yours, mine, and the judge's).

But then again, the first let's-prepare-them-for-adversarial-practice and let's-play-at-lawyering exercise we were given in the bar course was one conducted by an actual lawyer, setting you up against a fellow student who'd play counsel for the opposing party. And basically what would happen in the fight for damages would be this. Your lawyer would tell you, "I want nothing less than $8,059." Then he or she would go and tell your opposing counsel, "I refuse to pay anything more than $59,27."

Then you go in for the mock hearing, not realising that the both of you have entirely different figures to fight for. (This happens in practice, only that this time, you know)

And then the judge (played by the same lawyer who gave you the Figures Whose Twain Shall Never Meet) goes :D :D :D, "I AWARD YOU $6,927." (Which means nobody is happy, so the case goes on appeal.)

Speaking of two different views of the same thing: I used to analyse literature in school; it was the kind of arrangement whereby they give you a sixteen-line poem and want you to write a four-page essay on authorial intent and what you think the poem is saying. I suspect that this is why I'm a particular way with commenting on fic; any of you whose stories I've left comments on would probably know.

nemesis happened to mention literary analysis (they called it practical criticism where I came from), which made me recall what happened during my first lesson with one of my Literature teachers. He was teaching us how to analyse a poem, and I will always remember what he told us.

"Every poem is about drugs, or sex. Just make sure you get a reference to drugs or sex in, and you'll be just fine. When I say drugs or sex, it doesn't have to be drugs or sex. It can be, preferably, both."

(I can't help but think, now, If Reborn's Shamal was a Literature teacher)

So! Three poems, For Your Consideration:



Pied Beauty

GLORY be to God for dappled things,
For skies of couple-color as a brinded cow,
For rose-moles all in stipple upon trout that swim;
Fresh-firecoal chestnut-falls, finches' wings;
Landscape plotted and pieced, fold, fallow and plough,
And all trades, their gear and tackle and trim.
All things counter, original, spare, strange,
Whatever is fickle, freckled (who knows how?)
With swift, slow; sweet, sour; adazzle, dim.
He fathers-forth whose beauty is past change;
Praise him.

- Gerard Manley Hopkins

And this is the stuff I got:


'anyone lived in a pretty how town'

anyone lived in a pretty how town
(with up so floating many bells down)
spring summer autumn winter
he sang his didn't he danced his did.

Women and men(both little and small)
cared for anyone not at all
they sowed their isn't they reaped their same
sun moon stars rain

children guessed(but only a few
and down they forgot as up they grew
autumn winter spring summer)
that noone loved him more by more

when by now and tree by leaf
she laughed his joy she cried his grief
bird by snow and stir by still
anyone's any was all to her

someones married their everyones
laughed their cryings and did their dance
(sleep wake hoe and then)they
said their nevers and they slept their dream

stars rain sun moon
(and only the snow can begin to explain
how children are apt for forget to remember
with up so floating many bells down)

one day anyone died i guess
(and noone stooped to kiss his face)
busy folk buried them side by side
little by little and was by was

all by all and deep by deep
and more by more they dream their sleep
noone and anyone earth by april
wish by spirit and if by yes.

Women and men(both dong and ding)
summer autumn winter spring
reaped their sowing and went their came
sun moon stars rain

-- E. E. Cummings


Poetry is never one thing to two people. I leave you now with a poem Niisan loves, but one which, back then, I did the mental equivalent of softly scribbling a question mark. I read it differently now, of course (and would totally post it uncut, but it is ten stanzas and approximately fifty lines long.



Law Like Love
W. H. Auden

Law, say the gardeners, is the sun,
Law is the one
All gardeners obey
To-morrow, yesterday, to-day.

Law is the wisdom of the old,
The impotent grandfathers feebly scold;
The grandchildren put out a treble tongue,
Law is the senses of the young.

Law, says the priest with a priestly look,
Expounding to an unpriestly people,
Law is the words in my priestly book,
Law is my pulpit and my steeple.

Law, says the judge as he looks down his nose,
Speaking clearly and most severely,
Law is as I’ve told you before,
Law is as you know I suppose,
Law is but let me explain it once more,
Law is The Law.

Yet law-abiding scholars write:
Law is neither wrong nor right,
Law is only crimes
Punished by places and by times,
Law is the clothes men wear
Anytime, anywhere,
Law is Good morning and Good night.

Others say, Law is our Fate;
Others say, Law is our State;
Others say, others say
Law is no more,
Law has gone away.

And always the loud angry crowd,
Very angry and very loud,
Law is We,
And always the soft idiot softly Me.

If we, dear, know we know no more
Than they about the Law,
If I no more than you
Know what we should and should not do
Except that all agree
Gladly or miserably
That the Law is
And that all know this
If therefore thinking it absurd
To identify Law with some other word,
Unlike so many men
I cannot say Law is again,

No more than they can we suppress
The universal wish to guess
Or slip out of our own position
Into an unconcerned condition.
Although I can at least confine
Your vanity and mine
To stating timidly
A timid similarity,
We shall boast anyway:
Like love I say.

Like love we don’t know where or why,
Like love we can’t compel or fly,
Like love we often weep,
Like love we seldom keep.

Comments 
18th-Aug-2008 02:44 pm (UTC)
XDDD For one of my papers, the theme is identity. So that's what we have to relate everything to. Sex and/or drugs sounds like a nice change.

Am not going to be one of you strange nocturnal people today, but do go over and laugh at me for the lameness of Bright Lights. :D

Also: your figures, they are familiar. 6927, whut. XD
18th-Aug-2008 03:28 pm (UTC) - what are these LIES about lameness you're telling me
I keep getting invoices, reference numbers, and sums of money that are all variations of 80(95/59). IT IS NOT FUNNY AND I AM NOT AMUSED.

*SOBBING HYSTERICALLY*

You give me Literature flashbacks. ;) Identity was this. REALLY REALLY HUGE THING. FOR ME, TOO. IT'S SO FUNNY. ♥ I almost - almost miss it.

WAIT WAIT WAIT YOU HAVE NEW FIC FOR ME TO EMIT HEARTS OVER, what are THESE LIES ABOUT LAMENESS. ♥

I will write bad and defamatory Xanxus fic one day, in which he raises baby!Tsuna. And baby!Tsuna grabs his awful feather-fluff-hair-accessory and loves it and won't let go, and Xanxus has to coax him to sleep and ALL KINDS OF HORRIBLE STUFF, all while snarling viciously away.

I read this movie review about Hancock today which quoted this one line from the film, and I thought it fit Xanxus so well. The line was, "My basic diagnosis of your fundamental problem is... you're an @$$[expletive deleted for the sake of the children]."

BUT OF COURSE. ♥ Coincidentally, the average of 8059 and 5927 does actually work out very close to 6927. I checked.

With a calculator.
18th-Aug-2008 03:06 pm (UTC)
ASFLAKSDLJACMSD I COME BACK FROM LITERATURE CLASS TO SEE THIS OTL.
18th-Aug-2008 03:30 pm (UTC) - WELCOME HOME!!! ;D
HAHAHAHA. HIDING!SHOU-CHAN ICON.

and WELCOME HOME TO THE INTERNET, WHERE YOU CAN NEVER ESCAPE WHAT YOU DO AT WORK. OR SCHOOL. :D

I GIGGLE SO MUCH AT THAT SHOU-CHAN ICON, because he reminds me of a small kitten peering out over the edge of its basket. AWWW, SO CUTE, SHOU-CHAN. COME OVER HERE AND LET ME WRITE BAD FANFICTION ABOUT YOU. ♥

18th-Aug-2008 03:33 pm (UTC) - YES I AM BACK 8D
YES! Because my expression is all ... right now AND GAMMA HAS NO EXPRESSIONS EXCEPT FOR >\ >) and >(

:D I know! He's probably the only other one aside from Spanner (Because Byakuran is all >8D and Gamma is all >\) who HAS ACTUAL FACIAL EXPRESSION.

I WANT TO WRITE GAMMA/UNI. BUT IT WOULD BE. SO. I don't know.
18th-Aug-2008 03:35 pm (UTC) - DON'T TELL ME YOUR SCHOOL ENDS SO LATE? D8
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - SORRY, SORRY, LAUGHING TOO MUCH. XDDDDDD

No, Gamma had facial expressions! Sometimes they were also D< and D| - BUT YES, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT OF VIEW.

BYAKURAN IS EVEN MORE OF A PERVERT THAN SPANNER IS, AND THAT'S SAYING SOMETHING.

GAMMA/UNI WOULD BE AWESOME, WRITE IT! ♥ BETTER YET. GAMMA/UNI'S MOM. ♥
18th-Aug-2008 03:38 pm (UTC) - IT DOES AND YES I END SCHOOL AT 10 PM AT NIGHT D8
YES. HIS FACIAL EXPRESSIONS ARE SO LIMITED I CAN COUNT THEM ON TWO HANDS.

YES HE IS. ALL HIS EXPRESSIONS ARE PERVERTED EXPRESSIONS OF GLEE DIRECTED AT SHOICHI I'M SURE OF IT.

... I WILL, UH, TRY? 8D GAMMA/UNI'S MOM = ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
18th-Aug-2008 03:44 pm (UTC) - ... BUT THAT'S JUST CRAZY, YOUR SCHOOL IS CRAZY D:
but hey, does that mean you start later in the day?

LOOK BUT HE IS SMILING IN YOUR ICON. AND HE COULD SMILE AGAIN! JUST GIVE HIM PRINCESS BACK. ;)

DEFINITELY DIRECTED AT SHOUICHI. SHOUICHI GIVES THE BEST REACTIONS, AFTER ALL.

AWESOME. ♥ I WILL TOTALLY CHEER YOU ON AND EMIT HEARTS AT YOU. ♥

AND PUT GARLANDS OF FLOWERS IN YOUR HAIR.
18th-Aug-2008 03:51 pm (UTC) - MY SCHOOL IS MAD I TOTALLY AGREE...
but yes, I do start at 6pm. =D

HE'S SMIRKING 8D AND HE NEEDS HIS PRINCESS BACK TO SMILE.



WHEN WILL YOU DO IT? GAMMA AGREES WHOLEHEARTEDLY (somewhat) TO GARLANDS IN HIS HAIR.
18th-Aug-2008 03:20 pm (UTC) - This is tl;dr - just read the first line, LOL
Hello! You are being obviously obvious with your figures today XD

Augh practical criticism made me want to screw off the top of my head and prod it - I really wonder why I chose to do English Literature as a minor in Uni (orz, no, not her). But now that I'm past all of that, I will proceed to ramble about how Hopkins is reminiscent of Wordsworth and Lord Byron, with phonetical alliteration that evokes the images he portrays and the playfulness of Cummings (XD, bad thought!) serves to hide the painful reality of the common 'anyone' that peeps out from behind its child-like rhyme like a lonely orphan looking around the corner at children playing at a playground and I suppose being a lawyer would you'd love Law Like Love that way XD but I'd say the comparison of law and love, both man-made things, is apt; in fact, everything leads to how Auden wishes to expressdescribe Love - how it is treated by all and sundry in varyingly different ways though of course you'd probably object to that, but ANYWAY.

Augh. Tis the bane of Literature students, it is - never to see the world like one of the common folk ever again. Or the bane of anybody who specialises in anything, for that matter. XD
18th-Aug-2008 03:40 pm (UTC) - but I always "DR" XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
I WAS BEING MORE THAN OBVIOUS, I WAS BEING PRECISE. The average of (the average IS STILL AVERAGE) 8059 and 5927 really is close to 6927. I CHECKED WITH A CALCULATOR. THEY DO NOT LIE.

I am the most horrible vengeful creature when it comes to 8059, and my logic with it mutates into this awful moster than boils down to, "I DON'T CARE WHAT WINS AS LONG AS IT ISN'T THAT."

I OBJECT TO EVERYTHING, I DOUBT ITS SOURCE. *LOOKS AT YOU* ~

I really wonder why I chose to do English Literature as a minor
I suspect the Usual Reason (and Famous Last Words), "It seemed like a good idea at the time."

I like (your?) the Law Like Love analysis the best, by the way. The e.e. cummings analysis was so sad.

Augh. Tis the bane of Literature students, it is - never to see the world like one of the common folk ever again. Or the bane of anybody who specialises in anything, for that matter. XD
I don't know: wasn't that always the beautiful thing about it? Or so I think. That your world will always be different to you, because of that? It's a whole new way to see the world.
18th-Aug-2008 03:52 pm (UTC) - XD <3 (Yes, Yamammochan reads - this one does, at least)
orz I checked too XDDD

*hides 8059 ficcage from aefallen* You wouldn't object to them both being in the fic at the same time provided they're not together, would you though?

I OBJECT TO EVERYTHING, I DOUBT ITS SOURCE.
Uhm, actually I kinda did those analyses off the top of my head. No references, unfortunately XD So, yes, that analysis of Law Like Love is purely mine - or as purely mine as it can get, seeing how ideas are used and reused every second.

The e.e. cummings analysis was so sad.
Aw... *hugs*

I suspect the Usual Reason (and Famous Last Words), "It seemed like a good idea at the time."
It... did. XDDDD

It's a whole new way to see the world.
I suppose I'll get used to that eventually - I mean, I love being able to see things differently and sometimes even boast about it, (orz/XD) but it's a little lonely when other people don't understand...
18th-Aug-2008 03:26 pm (UTC)
My stance on poetry is like this:

I like reading it.

I abhor analysing it.
18th-Aug-2008 03:33 pm (UTC) - icon keywords - 'yamamoto reads?'
You're very much like my brother, then. He was of the same mindset.

He also happened to think that analysing it took some of the magic and beauty away from the work-as-it-was. Not sure if you share similar thoughts, but I wouldn't be surprised if you did.

My stance on poetry was: I love reading it, and I love analysing it (if only to see just how far you can go with something you yourself might not believe in, but as long as you can get your reader, or your marker, to believe it: that was the challenge of literary criticism, for me) - and analysing it makes me love it even more.
18th-Aug-2008 03:36 pm (UTC) - Re: icon keywords - 'yamamoto reads?'
Ahaha, yes. Reading it, there's this sort of this wonder at the wordplay and all the unconscious little tricks and turns of phrases; it's a bit less magical when you know the meaning behind all of it (here's some alliteration, there's some analogies-), like knowing how a magician performs a trick. It's still a dramatic spectacle, but it's just not as cool.

I do enjoy analyzing things, finding out how they work, but that's what I do for history. For literature, I prefer to appreciate, ahaha.

By the way, you got the Spanner meme thing?
18th-Aug-2008 03:43 pm (UTC)
I don't know: I kind of always had a slightly different perspective on it, in the sense of when you analysed a work, you were able to see ah, this is how it all fits together, this is what makes it work that way, this is how he gets that effect, and isn't it all wonderfully clever (when it was wonderfully clever instead of being immensely irritating, that is).

AND I GOT IT! ♥ GONNA EMIT HEARTS AT IT and link it if and when you put it on your fic journal. I like your why-he-didn't-fall-in-love-with-Tsunayoshi reason the best out of all the answers to this meme I've read so far.
19th-Aug-2008 04:31 am (UTC)
I guess it depends on the poem? Some poems, I guess, gain something like an added level of 'WHOA SO CHEEM the author was SO DEEP' and it can be pretty cool to see how it works. But most poems I remember dragging my feet over in lit class belonged to the group of '...are you sure we're not just PUTTING WORDS in the AUTHOR'S MOUTH for the sake of filling up our paper-' than 'there's so much to talk about! how inspiring!'. I think the only reason I survived was because lit is so terribly personal- as long as you can bullshit something that sounds plausible to back up your ~*~special interpretation~*~ of the text, it doesn't really matter whether you believe in it or not.

...I think that's why I'm more of a history person. Or not? Both of those disciplines do cross a lot. It's pretty fun, all in all.

aksjdfklsdf that probably means I will have to put them up, doesn't it. D: Ahaha, if I get any more KHR characters to do it for, I'd like to try linking all the '5 things that never happened' for all of them together.
18th-Aug-2008 04:04 pm (UTC)
*comments with OHSOTRUE icon*

Dude, I got John Donne for A Level lit. JOHN DONNE. And coming from the girls' Feminazi school (if you get what I mean), I found it incredibly offensive. Then after A Level I found his poems incredibly clever, but still misogynistic.

I am still doing the Literature thing. WHY DID I DECIDE TO DO AN MA?!
18th-Aug-2008 04:53 pm (UTC)
OH GOD SOMETIMES I WONDER WHY I DECIDED TO TAKE ENGLISH LIT AS MY UNIVERSITY SUBJECT.

but on that note, I love e.e. cummings, his stuff is so lyrical, and i never really know what he's on about but i can always guess.... because the other really nice thing about lit? You are pretty much never wrong. As long as you can back up what you say, you can talk about all sorts of bullshit.

Can't say I always get the best grades though. :'P

On the other hand, I used to think that analyzing literature sort of took away from the magic as well, but I'm here because it's the only other thing I can do besides draw (albeit I do neither particularly well), and I guess it seemed like a good idea at the time. XD

/o/

dunno what i'll do later though.
18th-Aug-2008 04:55 pm (UTC)
and now i look at the icon of the person above me and lol my heart out at the coincidence.
19th-Aug-2008 03:08 pm (UTC)
And who would this wonderful teacher be? Nellie Leslie? Some how I think that isn't her name, but it's stuck in my head that way

Nice poems though. Made me go and leaf through my collection of old JC prac crit poems, haha.
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